The Cognitive Tradeoff Hypothesis


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    TECH ANSWERS Tunti sitten

    Perhaps this is because they dont know what numbers are.

    TECH ANSWERS Tunti sitten

    Does learning new language effect memory & how?

  • sameer alam
    sameer alam Tunti sitten

    How come chimpanzee learned number in increasing order?

  • sameer alam
    sameer alam Tunti sitten

    Evolution theory is not true
    Its only hypothesis

  • usethefooorce
    usethefooorce 4 tuntia sitten

    8:07 there were many other species that also had to collaborate to avoid predation, but they did not develop complex language. So this hypothesis is not really grounded.

  • Stephen Dale Emery
    Stephen Dale Emery 7 tuntia sitten

    my question is how long has Ayumi been participating in this game? Like teaching dogs tricks. Perhaps your one day wasn't enough to train you, but you made strides of improvement.

  • San Gouda
    San Gouda 9 tuntia sitten

    2:25 chimpanzee is looking like it is holding another chimpanzee head, or is it just me?

  • Danny cul
    Danny cul 9 tuntia sitten +1

    My memory is far worse than Michael's but what I'd try to do with the 9 numerals task is to translate from a more abstract kind of memory, remembering where the numbers are, to a more practical one, such as using hand movement to remember it. It works for me quite well, albeit in specific tasks.

  • Garlic Mustard
    Garlic Mustard 11 tuntia sitten +3

    I cant be the only one wanting to know how the hell chimps know the numerical order?!

  • سارية
    سارية 11 tuntia sitten

    I heat you when don’t have translations arap

    • Garlic Mustard
      Garlic Mustard 11 tuntia sitten

      *I hate you when you don’t have Arabian translations

  • Goroto Jr.
    Goroto Jr. 11 tuntia sitten +1

    2:24 well animals could have developed language. But it’s hard to tell what they are saying. Bees in different hives across different countries have different “dialects”.
    Certain species of birds learn to sing from other birds. Much like how humans learn to speak language as they are growing up.

  • rooster555555
    rooster555555 12 tuntia sitten

    and how is this abstract thinking going to just spontaneously show up

  • Alyssa Ethelcrowe
    Alyssa Ethelcrowe 12 tuntia sitten

    Skylab? Oh god, Terminator and Planet of the Apes were both right!

    RBNOW 13 tuntia sitten

    Hey Michael I love your videos, I've been watching since around 2012, and I really hope you do more of the uploads on Vsauce like you used to do. You're so much fun to watch and I really learn a lot too, keep up all the great content!

    DIAMOND TURTLE 22 tuntia sitten

    Hey Michael, do an episode about Peweiepie !

  • Benjamin English Club
    Benjamin English Club Päivä sitten

    "Ayumu chimpanzee mode" sounds like super saiyan! :D

  • Rdawgs
    Rdawgs Päivä sitten +3

    Wait... how do the chimps no which order numbers go in?

    • Goroto Jr.
      Goroto Jr. 11 tuntia sitten

      Rdawgs they learn over time, adding more and more numbers.

    • With Wilk
      With Wilk 13 tuntia sitten

      Well how do you...?

  • Rdawgs
    Rdawgs Päivä sitten +2

    I got FIclips red just for mindfield

  • knvolidge is the the greatest power

    We are inque oh wait..

  • L. Eyozaft
    L. Eyozaft Päivä sitten

    Can any of the savant beat ayumu?

  • Sebastian Rose
    Sebastian Rose Päivä sitten

    only show on youtube red worth watching. besides scaring pewdiepie of course

  • Wolliwops !!!
    Wolliwops !!! Päivä sitten

    Lol he could have paused the video

  • Eto Hige Gamer Culture
    Eto Hige Gamer Culture Päivä sitten +1

    I cant imagine how long it took to train the chimps to do this task vs Michal a human understanding the task within seconds. I dont think we lost anything it's just an area we dont need to use often and could easily be mastered by a human where as you could prob never teach the chimp to speak which is the so called trade off. It must be nice to have the GNP capita of a large country in a place only the size of California to be able to build such places and do tests like that in the video.
    Also im sad Vsauce is forever Premium :(

  • An Account
    An Account Päivä sitten +1

    if sharing makes us human, why arent we all communist?

  • apesoup1
    apesoup1 2 päivää sitten

    I really like the tradeoff hypothesis although I'm pretty sure it's wrong: Memorizing multiple objects(branches of a tree!) and their shapes and using them at fast speed in a specific order is a(very) big advantage if you are trying to climb very fast/efficient through the trees. We don't need that so that's why we lost it... if you have ever tried to speed climb an unknown wall you will know that the mind (fast recognition and memorization of holds) of an ape would definitely be of great advantage for this task.

  • Radical Trains
    Radical Trains 2 päivää sitten

    Not the same amount of practice. Also the guy doesn't seem to like humans that much berating Micheal on everything he did.

  • Richard M
    Richard M 2 päivää sitten


  • The Pale God
    The Pale God 2 päivää sitten

    zis video is fleaking awesome

  • Mr Memes
    Mr Memes 2 päivää sitten

    What about mute people?

  • M8 Fazelash
    M8 Fazelash 2 päivää sitten

    Subsribe to ne plzz

    ISACK KIWELE 2 päivää sitten

    Hold up! How do they know numbers and to count then and how they sync

  • MrAssyran
    MrAssyran 2 päivää sitten

    Pls start free videos again

  • alva peng
    alva peng 3 päivää sitten

    what if ayumu is just a chimp-genius who can't really represent the group..

  • Sam Symes
    Sam Symes 3 päivää sitten

    You give a speedrunner or esports gamer this test they could do it no problem. Just like the chimp that is thier specialty

  • Genius by Design
    Genius by Design 3 päivää sitten

    NO way I could NOT do it !!!

  • Steven Akers
    Steven Akers 3 päivää sitten

    I call shenanigans. I want to see how many patterns these chimps are exposed to. I'm not doubting they have a better memory than humans but I don't care what animal you are, you wouldn't have a chance for ur eyes to look at each numbers position in .5 seconds.

  • Cici Nguyen
    Cici Nguyen 3 päivää sitten

    If we train a young kid from birth I think the kid would be at the same speed

  • Micah Robertson
    Micah Robertson 3 päivää sitten

    Your first error is to assume that humans can't get to the same point as that with just a bit of practice and "unlearning" how to think linguistically.

    Your theory of a cognitive trade-off makes no sense and fails miserably.

  • Mr Mewlax
    Mr Mewlax 3 päivää sitten +1

    19:36 when you find out ur adopted

  • Noodles LM
    Noodles LM 3 päivää sitten

    i fuckin love chimps

  • Incognegro
    Incognegro 3 päivää sitten

    look at deh sphidah mohnkeyyyyyy

  • roswellautopsia
    roswellautopsia 4 päivää sitten +1

    This is so much of a half-assed History channel kind of show, all with questionable hypothesis and blurry conclusions it's a shame someone so science, and logic driven like Michael is doing it.
    Michael always gave us proved knowledge based on facts and with reliable sources.

  • Allan Dsouza
    Allan Dsouza 4 päivää sitten +1

    Asians may be smart but we're smarter than their animals
    Asian Chimpanzee: hold my beer

  • Dozie G
    Dozie G 4 päivää sitten

    Dear Vsauce,
    Can you please make a video about the psychology of people wanting biological kids VS adoption? I can't have kids and the prospect of adoption has ruined two relationships even though I'm only in my early 20's. Men seem to be fixated on the idea of wanting to pass on their DNA to a far greater degree than women and I'd like to understand it more.
    Thanks Xx

  • Hi
    Hi 4 päivää sitten

    That one time you don’t have premium but can still watch mind field episodes.

  • Josh L
    Josh L 4 päivää sitten

    Monks use to take vows of silence to improve focus. We should have a national sign language everyone shut up day. Would be the only holiday no one vocalizes and I would celebrate it. They would also do this with blind folds as well. By limiting one sense it increases the others. We rely to much on what we hear and are always imagining our future. Monkeys just instinctively respond to the now with no concept of the future. Monkeys are the monks of the trees, for the old idol of monkeys that see now evil, hear no evil, do no evil would teach us much if people realize we are blinded by an abundance of information for the smartest and wisest man says nothing. Also I believe we didnt come from monkeys because our DNA is 98% in common, we are also 97.5% a blood worm. That 2% alien DNA is what makes us special and different than any monkey for our eyes and brains are far more advanced. If we did come from monkeys we had to become aquatic at some point in order to lose our hair. Also would account for making us weaker since in water things are lighter. All mammals with little hair spend much time in the water. Monkeys fear water because they sink due to no body fat. So I try to keep a open mind as to how we could have adapted into what we call humanity now. I think the ancient alien idea is just as believable that some alien race landed here and uploaded there DNA into the closest Biped they could find that could handle the upgrade without losing its Alpha status in the animal kingdom, thus ensuring the DNA will survive and explains why monkeys haven't progressed to neanderthals again by random mutation. Other idea is cosmic radiation mutation, but it wouldn't change the bone structure of the eye socket nor would our feet be straight. We would have thumbs on our feet and be way stronger had we evolved in just the trees. Lucy the monkey they traced our DNA back to was only 98% in common with us. So this proves monkeys haven't changed DNA but they have adapted with time yet the base code remains the same if you study RNA and DNA. This is my own theory so take it with a grain of salt but ask the Hippo or Elephant why they arn't hairy. Our brains are more in common with dolphins truth be known. my 2cents. Love peace and prosperity and enjoyed the show!
    Grateful fan - Josh

    ERIC CURE 4 päivää sitten

    Kïłł mę, płeåšë. Møm fôüñd łhė põōp śōçk. T-T

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    shelomoh 4 päivää sitten


  • SimplyEyolf
    SimplyEyolf 4 päivää sitten

    Click the numbers! To beat... numbers!

  • Saatvik Agrawal
    Saatvik Agrawal 4 päivää sitten +2

    Hold on a second. I think this research can really be elaborated. We humans use strategies like mnemonics, flowcharts, and other methods to memorize unrelated information. What devices or techniques do chimpanzees use? You see, if we tap into that (assuming such a thing exists) we could harness their mental power.

    But there's one more thing. We humans developed these techniques due to our less capacity of memory, whereas chimps may not have to had done such a thing. Mabye their natural capacity itself was sufficient.

    • Aiden O'Connell
      Aiden O'Connell 4 päivää sitten

      Weather then memerorizing the numbers left to wright micheal looked for them in order of 1 2 3 4 and so on

  • Sebastian Rodriguez Colina
    Sebastian Rodriguez Colina 4 päivää sitten

    How do they get the order right?

  • freeideas
    freeideas 4 päivää sitten +5

    Chimps can, over time, can learn how to remember and identify the placement of digits 0-9 in a split second. Humans can, over time, learn how to remember and identify the placement music notes, pressing up to 10 keys on a piano, also in a split second. These seem -- to me at least -- to be similar skills, except I would say that playing the piano is FAR more difficult. Is this really a case of a mental feat that chimps can do that humans can't?

    • Upgrayedd
      Upgrayedd 4 päivää sitten +1

      Well, recognizing music is a language skill. And children under the age of 6 have much higher rates of photographic memory. That's the tradeoff hypothesis: that humans and chimps have a similar brain region for photographic memory, except humans mostly use it only for language skills.

    • Aiden O'Connell
      Aiden O'Connell 4 päivää sitten

      freeideas the problem with humans is I always saw the eyes of micheal darting across the screen to look for numbers in numerical order weather then left to wright and no human can memorize 10 notes in less then 7/10 of a second

  • nobedman848
    nobedman848 4 päivää sitten

    Subscribe ti Pewdiepie

  • mad Rascal
    mad Rascal 5 päivää sitten +1

    These chimps are paid actors

  • jimmi hotdog
    jimmi hotdog 5 päivää sitten

    Far out more please yea.

  • Froh Natur
    Froh Natur 5 päivää sitten

    Is it certain, that this test is about memory? When you showed Ayumu's test at the beginning, I only even registered 3 numbers. It's hard to recognize 9 symbols in a split second.
    Also it would seem to make more sense to me, if chimpanzees preserved the skill to quickly recognize patterns (as in the example with counting predators, and making a quick fight-or-flight decision, which seems to be more about pattern recognition); more so than it does with memory.

  • statisdt
    statisdt 5 päivää sitten

    Kicked out from forest like Adam kicked out from garden .Since his memory was bad just forgot forbiden tree.. lol

  • Kaspar
    Kaspar 5 päivää sitten

    How do they know how to count though?

  • Aaron Schwartz
    Aaron Schwartz 5 päivää sitten

    vsauce you should know better than to show us linear evolution, show a phylogenetic tree

  • Hans Anitiser
    Hans Anitiser 5 päivää sitten

    22:05 the best part

  • Jessie Sgouros
    Jessie Sgouros 5 päivää sitten

    I want to see Tetsuro Matsuzawa do it

  • Marcos Paullo Rocha
    Marcos Paullo Rocha 5 päivää sitten

    conheci o canal só agora kk🤦‍♂️🙀 muito top

  • Hans Neumann
    Hans Neumann 5 päivää sitten +1

    It's so interesting!👍😆
    I love Japan!)

  • Rob Overholt
    Rob Overholt 5 päivää sitten

    Where could i download this software so we can try? I think its like typing, with practice, we can cruise too.. Not sold on this video.. Also, Michael knows the camera is watching, FIclips the company will be watching, the editor will see it and the rest of the world will too, so many things getting him out of "the zone".. anyways.. whatev'....

  • quantum bracket
    quantum bracket 5 päivää sitten +1

    the monolith gave us language

  • Jk Gaming
    Jk Gaming 5 päivää sitten

    Hey Michael vsauce here

  • Danvitinho
    Danvitinho 5 päivää sitten

    I would unronically watch every episode of this

    if was free

  • Mp57navy
    Mp57navy 5 päivää sitten

    4:55 "look at monkeys" 5:01 "cameraman shows great ape"
    Remember kids: Monkey have tails, apes do not.

  • Stasko
    Stasko 5 päivää sitten

    0:32 my team in league of legends

  • enchanted wolf
    enchanted wolf 5 päivää sitten +1

    My mom said I look like a chimp so yea I know what to say when she tell me that

  • Veronika C
    Veronika C 5 päivää sitten

    What about some marine mammals languages and cognitive abilities? Somehow I failing to see the differences between “humans” and “animals” more pronounced than differences between two animal kinds.

  • Team Rocket
    Team Rocket 6 päivää sitten

    try memorising it as a picture not as 9 numbers in 9 different spots while figuring out the numerical order .

  • PlasmaFuzer
    PlasmaFuzer 6 päivää sitten

    I think Dr. Matsuzawa's research is quite interesting, and his experimental setup is quite good. I am thoroughly impressed he developed a method of training chips to be able to develop cognitively and to demonstrate that development in a consistent, repeatable way. However what was shown here _at best_ demonstrates consistency with the hypothesis, and nothing more. Michael's failure to reproduce Ayumi's speed at the game demonstrates nothing.

    Chips are recognized as having impressive cognitive ability (at least within the animal kingdom). Dr. Matsuzawa's research demonstrates that chimp's can be effectively trained to perform tasks (to my knowledge this was already known and demonstrated, and not just for chimps!). Ayumi has been playing this game presumably since it was able to climb into the box along with its mother. This could be many months, to many years (exact age was not specified) of exposure to this training paradigm. During this time Ayumi started off slowly and with a low number of digits and then progressed to the blistering fast pace with a high number of digits. Given a chimp's aforementioned ability to respond to training, this should have been expected.

    What should also have been expected, is Michael's _inability_ to reproduce this precise end state ability (the speed and accuracy) his first time playing this game. It is not surprising that he was unable to match the speed or accuracy of the highest performing chimp, as he has undergone *no* training whatsoever. Additionally, there are signs he was progressing himself fairly quickly. His times generally were trending down, and his accuracy was trending up (he completed the last puzzle of the set, also in the fastest time). Again, not shocking as his repeated exposure to the tests were serving as training for the subsequent test.

    I don't dismiss this research or its corresponding hypothesis in its entirety because I understand that it is possible in the associated publications they did comparative trials of one form or another (rates of learning, top end performance, etc.) showing chimps with equivalent training times as their human counterparts were consistently outperforming these humans. However I am being generous here because the claim/hypothesis, though intriguing and with evidence demonstrating consistency, is in my opinion not actually being tested with what was shown here; and hence I am speculating as to what _else_ has been done that was not shown. Again, at best, this research presentation demonstrated that chimps can be trained (already known) and with that training they can out perform humans with no training (impressive but not all that unexpected). However without evidence showing humans can not perform at or above this level, with a corresponding amount of training time, I assert the hypothesis remains thoroughly untested.

  • Pentti Hilkuri
    Pentti Hilkuri 6 päivää sitten

    What type of watch is that on Michael's wrist?

  • Madam Atom
    Madam Atom 6 päivää sitten

    "Look at monkeys"
    _ Dr. Desktop Matsuzawa 2019

  • Tehvoodoo19
    Tehvoodoo19 6 päivää sitten

    I wonder if this is why people on the autistic spectrum can sometimes excel at this sort of task, because of the lack of development of, or impaired, language ability.

  • Ham Bone
    Ham Bone 6 päivää sitten

    my man look like hes off to gaykumes circumcision

  • Alex Shyshonkov
    Alex Shyshonkov 6 päivää sitten

    I got here from ApeSex Legends

  • Kioku
    Kioku 6 päivää sitten

    23:29 I more so *know* what I'm supposed to see in dreams. I can't see the cheetah, but I convince myself I do.

  • Kioku
    Kioku 6 päivää sitten

    5:50 Not to be confused with that one spacecraft.

  • this guy
    this guy 6 päivää sitten

    humans can easily do that with a small practice..we can have multiple languages and photographic memories..

  • David Weihe
    David Weihe 6 päivää sitten

    Was this test run for people who learned their letters at age 9-10 (about as late as possible)? It is well known that learning to read and write lessens your ability to memorize things (unless you are weird, like Art Benjamin or Marilu Henner), and early reading reduces it even more than normal (age 6) or late initial reading age.

  • TheGameLecturer
    TheGameLecturer 6 päivää sitten

    Mind blown.

  • Justin Haynes
    Justin Haynes 6 päivää sitten

    @Vsauce, How do the chimpanzees learn the sequence of the numbers?

  • LittleSpoon
    LittleSpoon 6 päivää sitten

    my mind has been blown!!!!!

  • JC
    JC 6 päivää sitten

    Ok. That's it. Time to subscribe.

  • vegard pig
    vegard pig 6 päivää sitten

    *look* *at* *spider* *monkey*

  • Zekemeout
    Zekemeout 6 päivää sitten

    Wtf michael?

  • Yuvraj Mallick
    Yuvraj Mallick 6 päivää sitten

    19:21 *_Ayumu_* (after seeing this) : _Aa aa uu uu_ ( *Translation* : Yeah Michael that could help beginners)

  • Guks grt
    Guks grt 6 päivää sitten

    your DoppelgangeR

  • Flying Squirrel FPV
    Flying Squirrel FPV 6 päivää sitten

    Has this experiment been performed with autistic savants? If they can perform at the level of the chimps then perhaps a brain scan could be used to compare the physical differences with an average brain.

  • Tendai Ball
    Tendai Ball 6 päivää sitten

    Poetic that we got kicked out of the trees and now we run the world

  • Lane Krischke
    Lane Krischke 6 päivää sitten

    The only part of this that amazes me is how the chimps can recognize and understand our numeric system. They recognize the symbols and their order. Pretty amazing, I wonder if they could be taught a basic pictogram language.

    SHAHEER AJMAL 6 päivää sitten

    we defended our existence.. so we developed focused observation
    they ruled over an area so the defense was not that much... they needed to focus on multiple subjects to achieve their goals such as the threats in the bush.. they were strong , aggressive so they would fight everyone evading their territory.
    we were weak , so we had to plan to survive

  • John Talmage
    John Talmage 6 päivää sitten

    I see based on many comments that it's easier to critique than to create

    SHAHEER AJMAL 6 päivää sitten

    if there were figures and you have to draw them.. you might be able to draw 1 or 2 with much more details
    where as a champ would draw all the figures at the exact same location they were before disappearing, they won't be able to draw any details

    SHAHEER AJMAL 6 päivää sitten

    we notice more about one but can't focus on others
    they focus on all... can't notice even a single one as better as we do

    SHAHEER AJMAL 6 päivää sitten

    michael..... we focus on one subject
    they do it on multiple ones..
    how's that expl

  • arun sheokand
    arun sheokand 6 päivää sitten

    Great video, great message

  • debu1997
    debu1997 6 päivää sitten